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Thorens TD 125 MK II – Schopper AG
Two series of the Thorens 125 were made by EMT in Lahr, Germany.: the MK I and MK II. Following the legendary TD 124 (with the interlude of the smaller model TD …
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Differences between the Thorens TD-125 and TD-125 MKII
The most significant difference between the two turntables is in the motor design and the electronic speed control. With the TD-125 MKII, …
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Thorens TD 125 Turntable – Old School
For some of us, it’s the Rodney Dangerfield of the Thorens family of turntables. The barely-remembered TD 125 Mk II, though cherished when it was current, rarely figures in audiophile reminiscences, heated bar debates or lists of all-time greats. I used one for many years with an SME 3009 arm, and wish I still had it, so I am as guilty as any of dissing this gem. Aah! The glories of hindsight!
Despite its status when new, the TD 124 was but one of a number of superlative turntables mortally wounded by the Linn LP12, aka the Sondek. Equally, with the passage of time, it has been overshadowed by its Thorens-made predecessors, both above and below it in price, and by its disproportionately expensive descendants.
Among collectors, the hot Thorenses include the TD 124 at the top irrespective of one’s audio politics, the TD 150 for realists (and for me, the most important turntable in audio history after the AR Universal), and – for those lucky enough to be filthy rich and tenacious – the later Reference and Prestige behemoths. All are superlative decks, but the TD 125 just may be the most balanced, the sanest compromise, and the easiest with which to live.
Born in 1968, the Thorens TD-125 (Mk I, of course) directly followed what most enthusiasts would rightly nominate as the Swiss/German firm’s single greatest achievement: the TD 124, rather than the similar TD 150 of 1965. Appropriately, a perfectly-restored, serviced and installed TD 124 will, as of 2013, still give most record spinners a run for their money. However, only the most deluded apologist would argue that this idler-drive/belt-drive hybrid is either as quiet as, or as dynamic as the pure belt-drives that followed the TD 124 – let alone the “budget model” TD 150 that sold alongside it. And that includes the TD 125.
According to Gerhard Weichler’s Thorens: the Fascination of a Living Legend (2006), the TD-125 was born of a number of causes, a perfect storm demanding a new flagship model. Thorens was moving factories from Switzerland to Germany, the TD 124 was nearing the end of its life as a viable product after some 100,000 had been made, and the latest stereo cartridges demanded greater refinement. The TD 124 was most assuredly a child of the monophonic 1950s and its time had surely come.
Not unaware of the phenomenal success of Edgar Villchur’s $68 AR turntable of 1961 (and regardless of its almost laughable price advantage over any import), Thorens introduced the TD 150 in 1965. It was, for all intents and purposes, a better-built AR, with the added appeal of accommodating a choice of tonearms. The TD 150 is the direct link between the AR and the Ariston RD11, which became the Linn LP12, and I’ve heard them outperform the much costlier TD 124. But that’s another tale.
At this stage, it’s worth informing you of the three turntables’ original prices. The only contemporary guide I have showing all three – TDs 124, 150 and 125 – is the 1970 Hi-Fi Yearbook, published in the UK. I believe that the pound (£) of 1970 was exchanged at around $4=£1, so convert if you must, but the point of this illustration is to indicate where each turntable fit into Thorens’ range.
In this guide, with prices including taxes and rounded to whole pounds, and without tonearms, the TD 124 retailed for £45, the TD 150 sold for £30 and the then-new TD 125 cost a heady £70. That should make you want to hop in a time machine, because £70 some 43 years ago was equal to only £900-£1000 in today’s money. And that’s only US $1500 in 2013 smackers….
Because the TD 150 was an entry-level turntable, and the moneymaking flagship TD 124 was on its way out, a more substantial belt-drive – call it a TD 150 on steroids – was an obvious solution. Moreover, given the rapid growth of solid-state technology in the 1960s, Thorens was inspired to add to the TD 125 something not applied to the TD 150: electronic speed control.
It truly was a beefed-up TD 150, based on the same topology of a small motor driving a pulley and belt beneath the platter, a basic plinth, a full-length armboard, controls at the front, available with or without factory-fitted arm. The electronic speed adjustment upped the controls count, so it featured, in addition to on/off and speed adjustment of +/- 2%, aided by illuminated strobe visible through a window at the front. Speed control was accomplished with a linear potentiometer, and an AC generator with the frequency controlled by a Wien-bridge oscillator.
Despite the addition of electronic speed control – another slider controlled the cueing lift/lower if the turntable had the factory-fitted TP 25 tonearm – the deck was still a simple, classic three-speed design. Three-point suspended subchassis, uncluttered undersides, a removable full-length arm-board that presaged that of the LP12 (and which could even accommodate a Rabco parallel tracking arm), the TD 125 was inescapably the direct link between the TD 150 and the LP12.
Thorens did improve on the TD 150 with the TD 125 in a number of other areas, not least thanks to greater mass and more robust construction. Isolation of the various elements was superior, while the switching of power on/off and speed changes were achieved electronically rather than mechanically as on the earlier models. The two-section platter consisted of the 12in section fitted over the smaller subplatter around which the belt was positioned. The mat was a sculpted rubber affair that, in the post-Linn era, most users replaced with something offering better contact between LP and platter, such as simple felt.
As for its basic construction, the TD 125 employed a cast aluminium top section that supported the main bearing, platter, and armboard. The motor, the electronics, and the lamp to illuminate the strobe were fitted to a pressed steel panel that formed part of the plinth. Rubber washers ensured no metal-to-metal contact. The TD 125 was visibly distinguished from the TD 150 not merely by larger size, but by the aluminium strip that ran across its front, containing the rectangular controls, with a black main top surface, in contrast to the TD 150’s predominantly metal top plate.
As for the suspension, it consisted of three conical springs in adjustable cups. For disco use – yes, over 40 years ago – the TD 125 could be converted with rubber damping spheres in place of the floppier springs. A properly set-up TD 125 is fairly floppy, but not comically so, but the added rigidity for club use was advisable.
By the time the TD 125 was replaced in 1976 by the more sophisticated TD 126, it had achieved Mk II status, thanks to changes in factory tonearms from TP 25 to TP 16, refinements to the electronics and other detail improvements. The TD 126 was much more complex, and possibly less successful because, by 1977, the Linn hegemony was in full swing. How many TD 125s in all forms were produced, though, is hard to determine, but it should be noted that, in 1975, along with the TD 160, Thorens manufactured 500,000 turntables. Yes, a half-million.
The good news is that TD 125s are plentiful. I see them frequently, in great shape, for prices in the $200-$600, but perfection means spending around $900-$1000. I love it with the SME 3009, and had a blast with the Infinity Black Widow, but it’s also a perfect playground for Grace and Audio-Technica arms of the period. What you get for your money is a turntable with evocative 1960s styling, excellent isolation from footfalls, generous space to accept most 9in arms, and – above all – a sound that settles nicely between the romantic and the hygienic.
Of this I am confident: if you were to listen to a system blindfolded, with a TD 125 at its heart, fitted with a modern arm and cartridge such as an SME M-2 arm carrying a Denon DL-103R, you’d be forgiven for thinking that it was a $6000 front-end. Silky, detailed, open, with a deep soundstage … be glad this remains vintage hi-fi’s best-kept secret. -Ken Kessler
Pub. Note: Taking Mr. Kessler’s advice a step further, a great source for ultra minty TD-125s is Dave Archambault at www.vinylnirvana.com He’s always got tables in stock, or can refurb/repair yours if the mood fits. And, he’s got a true craftsman making hardwood plinths that can create something from mild to wild for your restored beauty, giving it a better look than the day it left the Thorens factory. Dave restores them all with tender loving care, so give him a shout. (and tell him we sent you!)
Thorens TD 125 MK II
Thorens TD 125 MK II
Thorens TD 125 MK II with TP 16 tonearm, Ortofon 2M blue cartridge and SCHOPPER wood console in American walnut.
Two series of the Thorens 125 were made by EMT in Lahr, Germany.: the MK I and MK II. Following the legendary TD 124 (with the interlude of the smaller model TD 160), the TD 125 was the next “state of the art” turntable.
The series TD 125 were costly to produce, with a cast metal chassis. Like the TD 124, the customer could choose the tonearm.
There were also other versions for example with SME 9 inch tonearm or the model “LB” for 12 inch tonearms. This is an MK I oder MKII model with a longer chassis for the mount of matching tonearmboards.
We believe it to be one of the best tables produced by Thorens Germany, and have therefore decided to provide a rebuilding and restoration service to SCHOPPER standards.
The table is given a new wooden plinth made to our specifications in Switzerland. Two colors are available: light maple and dark walnut.
The entire electronic system is restored to factory specifications, and all electrical and mechanical parts adjusted according to the factory service manual. A turntable that has stood the test of time for 40 years needs no ‘modifications’.
For MK I tables with a TP 25 tonearm, we restore the arm, install and adjust the customer’s choice of cartridge .and supply a diedicated, hard-wired Swissonor phono cable with gold plugs. We also install a shielded AC power cord. All tables are then given a two-week run-in and test period.
The Thorens TD 125 is a turntable classic still sounding better than most new tables sold today!
All work comes with a one-year guaranty.
No shipping! – pickup in Winterthur only.
Price for MK II starts at CHF 2250.–
Highend München 2012 – Fidelity
Gegen einen Aufpreis kann das Schwingchassis festgesetzt werden. Hier bei kommen die bewährten “Mushrooms” (Gummientkoppler) vom Thorens TD 124 zum Einsatz. Die Höhe des Chassis lässt sich immer noch justieren. Klanglich kann das noch zusätzliche Verbesserungen bewirken.
Differences between the Thorens TD-125 and TD-125 MKII
A question I am asked a lot is what are the differences between a TD-125 and a TD-125 MKII.
Some general information first. The TD-125 was introduced in 1968 and was the replacement to their top-of-the-line turntable the TD-124. Unlike the TD-124 which is a hybrid belt-idler wheel turntable, the TD-125 is belt driven. To my knowledge, it was one of the first turntables where the speed was controlled electronically rather than just an AC synchronous design. The speeds on the 125 were 16, 33, and 45 RPM. A strobe was included to dial in the speed. Some were sold with a stock arm, but it appears at least anecdotally that many many more were sold with SME tonearms or other brands. Finally, unlike many of the other suspended turntables on the market, in this case the whole top plate floats on three springs, rather than using a sub chassis design. The top plate isolates the platter system and the tonearm from the energy vibrations produced from the motor and also the environment. The 125 gave way to the 125 MKII in 1972.
In terms of differences between the two, let me start first with the similarities. Each uses an identical 10 mm drive platter. To my knowledge, all of the TD-125 turntables used a captured ball bearing design. I’ve seen early TD-125 MKII turntables, also with this captured ball bearing design. However, that is the minority. Far more have a conical designed bearing. As someone who has worked on these turntables for 20 years, I don’t see one advantage over the other. Both are very quiet and made with high-quality materials. One thing I do like about the design of the TD-125 platter system, is the shaft well itself is removable with three screws that are triangulated around the well opening. It’s great to be able to remove that both to work on the well and to clean in that area. The outer platter itself is identical on each turntable. The platters are identical and they are made of zamac.
The plinth design is identical. They are veneer over a particleboard of some kind. The bottom portion is a black strip that in some cases was painted, and another cases seems to be ironed on vinyl strips. Over the course of time, Thorens used different screws to mount the chassis to the plinth, but they were all identical in terms of the thread size. Both plinths use a fiberboard bottom plate, and the originals came with felt pads as feet. It seems that the armboards changed over time in terms of materials. I’ve never done a study of that or taken them for analysis. Some appear to be a painted plywood where you can easily see the layers on the edges, and others appear to be a wood composite, where the finish is more smooth on the edges. Both MKI and MKII utilize the same dustcover and hinge design.
The most significant difference between the two turntables is in the motor design and the electronic speed control. With the TD-125 MKII, Thorens introduced a clutch into the pulley which takes up slack in the belt at startup so that a steady speed is achieved more quickly. The 125 has a one piece pulley. In my experience, with a fresh belt on each turntable, it takes approximately 3 to 4 more seconds for the 125 to achieve a steady speed on the strobe. If you’re belt is brand-new or very old, there is sometimes slightly more noise at startup on the TD-125. That’s belt slippage and lasts 1-2 seconds as it gets the torque to spin that heavy platter system.
In terms of the electronic speed control board, for both models it is really not something for the do-it-yourself novice to take on. For someone who has a little bit of experience, the design of the board on the MKII is slightly easier to grasp and to work on. However, if you are buying either turntable from Vinyl Nirvana, that is a moot point because in either case the board will have been completely updated.
Finally, the TD-125 MKII seems to have been sold much more often with the TD-16 tonearm already installed. Those with that arm installed, feature a third switch on the front fascia plate that operates the cueing for the stock arm. In those cases where someone is removing that stock arm and installing an aftermarket one, you are left with that third switch as a vestige. As someone who frequently modifies these turntables, it’s generally easier to find a front fascia plate for a TD-125 that has two switches versus a TD-125 MKII.
In terms of performance, though I have never done it personally, I’m sure if we mounted the same tonearm and same cartridge on these turntables and A/B-ed them for a room full of listeners, almost no one would be able to tell the difference between the two. In terms of usability, it’s just that extra three or four seconds with a platter to attain a steady speed on the strobe.
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